What drove the loggers on in Australia in far off days? It was of course the competition to be the first to find the biggest and most magnificent of the trees and of those the red cedars were prized and perhaps some of the most difficult to find. In temperate rain forest its so difficult to see more than a few metres so early loggers would have had to search nearly all the steep and challenging terrain to find the best trees and fight their way through the most challenging vegetation including – lawyers curse – Jill will leave you to think why a prickly plant with long tendrils covered in tiny fierce backward pointing spines that can rip your clothes to shreds is called that!